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The feature film presence at Comic-Con this year has certainly dwindled a bit with many studios opting out of the convention completely, but the news surrounding comic book properties hasn't slowed down at all. David Slade is Daredevil and Jessica Biel is The Wolverine and now, hot on the heels of confirmation that Chronicle director Josh Trank of Fantastic Four, has word on who will write the script. Up and coming writer Jeremy Slater has been hired to write the new franchise beginning about a family of superheroes who don't always get along well.Slater already has a burgeoning career as his horror spec script Tape 4, which centers around the mythology of H.P. Lovecraft has been set up at Lionsgate, not to mention My Spy, a teenage spy comedy that just got picked up by Universal Pictures with Bad Teacher helmer Jake Kasdan attached to direct. However, we've heard from our own sources that what really landed him this superhero job is another spec script he wrote called The Man of Tomorrow which is essentially an alternate take on Batman and Superman without every mentioning the characters by name beyond their super powers and background.
It's apparently very gritty and set in an alternate 1940's time period with a lot of style. As long as it's not a silly, family comedy with superheroes this time around, I'll be happy.
Why do so many clamor for a darker version of the original? Is dystopic the only acceptable tone for a remake?
I enjoyed the FF movies and the Dark Knight Trilogy. Can't we enjoy a variety of tones in our superhero movies?C. Lewis implied on more than one occasion that adolescents cannot enjoy lighter fare such as the fairy tales, but children and adults can.
To enjoy such stories, it either takes a certain degree of innocence or a certain degree of maturity to not disdain innocence.Shane on Aug 5, 2012. 12Both FF films were so generic and boring. Not to mention, repetitive.
From hiring terrible writers who knew NOTHING of its source material, they bastardized any potentially amazing stories with weak 're-hashes' such as Gallactus, one of The Fantastic Four's ARCH NEMESIS. And what was it? A damn cloud of smoke.
And please get another director. Tim Story can stick to his romantic comedies. After these two 'Comical' takes on these heros, it NEEDS a darker take.TheMachine on Jun 24, 2013.
I don't know where you got your info bub but Batman NEVER retired. He's too obsessed with keeping gotham safe.
He's had to sit on the sidelines a couple of times due to injury or mental health. He even 'died' recently, but had someone take his spot. Dick did it twice. And the movie WAS bad.
It strayed so far from the source it doesn't belong with the other 2. Bane was a bad idea from the start cause he didn't come into the picture till after Tim became Robin. Here Dick isn't even introduced. I could go on with the wrong things in this movie but I won't.Spiderclaw on Jul 20, 2013. 40I enjoyed the first two FF movies, but agree that they were too 'PG-13'. I think there is a disconnect with the suits who control the money for these movies.
I think they see comic book/superhero movies as fodder for children. I think that's why the FF movies turned out the way they did. Little do those suits understand that the target audience is really the 40, 50, and 60 somethings who were kids when they read the original comics and, now, want to see their childhood superheros brought to life on the big screen. But they don't want to see comedic parodies of their superheros, they want to see them placed into the 'real world', as if such people and circumstances could really exist.
They want to see not just the explosions and stunts, but also the characters.their motivations, emotions, weaknesses and personalities. FWIW, I'm a sixty-something and that's what I want to see in a superhero movie.on Jul 18, 2012.
41it seems to me there was always a lot of humour and banter in FF, and while many storylines were epic or cosmic in scope, it was for the most part never a dark or gritty comic, it was fun, especially back in the day when todays 40-60 yr olds were reading it as children. Superheroes were invented to entertain children. The stories offer pleasure to adults a s well, but i feel sad when people want to take characters like FF or spiderman and make movies that aren't for children to enjoy.on Aug 26, 2012. 42The children grow up. And those who grow up are the ones who pay to see the movies, with matured brains who no longer want to see Bob the Builder in a feature film. There are plenty of kiddie movies released all the time, I'll take my superhero movies as evolved as I have become.
Why wouldn't you want a realistic movie? Realism only helps plausability and enjoyment of the masses, which generates huge income, and more movies. Not a relatively small group of 8 year olds and their parents.Reddog on Jan 11, 2013. 43For them to make a movie to a certain point that they want it to be at they would have to throw out the ratings. They want it out there for all adiances. Look at the Ghost Rider. To do him right they need a Rated R rating.
He was a dark charcater and not comical like Cage did with him. I liked them don't get me wrong but to do him right that is the rating they need. For your audiance comment your wrong. I am only 34 and have loved Marvel and DC for years. My daughter is 15 and also loves Marvel. So your age range is way off.
Now to go off that logic The Avengers sucked.There was way to much comedic crap in it. But the Avengers is a brillant movie. So your logic is off to.
Hell X-MEN was great and I don't ever remember Wolverine making funny cracks all the time. Like when he teased Cyclops.cage1 on Sep 16, 2012. 44I disagree, Avengers was a great film; they had a touch of everything in there and it worked brilliantly. As for the X-Men movies they weren't God awful, but they weren't anything special. They made Cyclops TOO big of a sissy. Plus they didn't even introduce some of the main great X-Men until the last film.
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Yet they were still lacking in the X-Men and Brotherhood ideals of human and mutant kind. I liked Jackman as Wolverine, that is about it.
I think they need to make a re-boot. Have the iconic characters that everyone knows and loves from both sides.jar-red on Nov 7, 2012. They wanted to but Fox refused. Fox still have Daredevil, FF, Galactus and the Silver Surfer.
But the Daredevil rights are gonna revert back to Marvel because no-one wants to direct the Fox version. I'd prefer it if Marvel could have all their characters back (especially Ghost Rider; Hollywood needs to get him right; in a 15).
I think the new FF film should have the tone of 'The Amazing Spider-Man'. It was darker than the original Sam Raimi trilogy but nowhere near as dark as the 'The Dark Knight Rises'.Some Random Guy on Sep 5, 2012. 60By 'in a 15' im presuming you mean a 15 certificate. Id say youve got more chance of fox doing an adult orientated ghost rider film than Marvel/disney ever doing one, Marvel are gonna stick to ther successful but heartbreaking (if like me you want to see a bit of ultra violence and autuerism in ur comic book movies) film making process of good casting, mediocre directors willing to bend to marvels cinematic universe, somewhat light hearted films aimed at the lowest common denominator. Who knows with this guy doing FF and mangold doing the wolverine movie fox could actually be about to realise that good directors with good visions make good comic book movies, something that after the ridiculous success of the avengers Marvel is never going to realisejackson vega III on Sep 15, 2012.
66the new spiderman SUCKS!!!!! I saw it and was COMPLETELY disappointed! Don't waste your time finishing the movie. After I watched it, the first, original spiderman happened to be on tv and when I watched that, it was REFRESHING to see a well thought out, well written movie again.
With normal, sense-making plots and characters. I think the fact that the new guy who plays spiderman is a homo (look it up) has something to do w how awkward the peter/gwen moments are on the new film.
(this is just one of the film's MANY MANY flaws)but trust me cage: you made the right choice!JC on Jan 1, 2013. 67You are one sad individual, casting aspersions on a persons sexuality, by citing 'look it up' and blaming it for why you didn't like the film is truly pathetic, in reality ( try it some time) he is actually dating his co-star, as in a real life heterosexual relationship, not that being a'homo' somehow denigrates his acting ability, I suggest you either crawl back under your homophopic rock, or drag your sorry arse into the 21st century, some people are gay, get over it.0ldn1k on Jan 2, 2013. 85Woah, you sure as hell told them. Superhero movies aren't going any damn place and with good reason.
At the end of the day it's about money, and if you did some research every single super hero movie/franchise has pulled in at least a billion dollars. TDK and Avengers are in the top 10 highest grossing movies in human history. And you have absolutely no point to be posting on here with your hard ass statement about not reading comic books.
Keep being ignorant thinking antman is useless, it's probably why you think its a C list movie. Moronic.on Jan 15, 2013.
86@ Philippe.I guess you're tired of movies based on novels as well? Consider superheroes a genre, like Westerners or detective stories. Personally, I'd like to see the FF done right. You could tell from the get go that the people behind this movie were only cashing in on what they thought was a fad.
They put absolutely no thought or imagination into it, other than a bit of inspired casting. But they totally wrecked one of the best comic villains around with the way they handled Dr. Still if Batman can make a comeback from where it was at when Nolan took over, there may be help for the franchise, regardless of what naysayers like you think.jsmith0552 on Jan 17, 2013. 88One thing they do all the time in storytelling is the 'unknown' or 'lost' brother or sister that is found. So why not have them discover than Cap is Johnny Storm's unknown twin? Or at least a very close look-alike sibling.
Who knows.maybe a cousin. It's one workaround to be able to not have to do a full reboot.
He can play both characters. They will rarely be in the same movie. (Makes you wonder what they were thinking by casting him as Cap in the first place.)It kinda sucks to have the new Spidey for instance, and then have the Toby McGuire run on the shelf. Loses a lot of interest.
(Although in that case, it seems McG was an ass about coming back for more movies in the series.sign them to a contract for 6 movies just to be sure 🙂 ) The same would happen with the other FF movies.on Mar 20, 2013. 92Nothing I do is MOOT! Nothing!:p But hey, if they've never shown an origin for Bond then that's something they needed. Comics in the early days either had a 1 to 3 page origin or they didn't have one and did it years later. Think of River Phoenix's small Indiana Jones flashback.My point is, Hollywood has been afraid of super-heroes for decades, they approach them tentatively, afraid to put them in their original costume tights (though that usually does need tweaking in real-life), feel the need to make an event or a blockbuster instead of just having the confidence to make a good movie, and generally make poor casting choices.
Hey, I think they've always had the same problems when bringing Broadway hits to the big screen.Superhero animated shows are far more comfortable with their writing, and continuity, and now that we have the technology to make really great-looking fantasy/sci-fi/hero movies, they just need to take the confidence that the animators have with their product and just move that business model into the live-action world.I think John McClane survived more physical comic-book punishment in 'Live Free or Die Hard' than Batman has ever been through!JD Harris on Jan 9, 2013. 93Actually I have to agree with you to some extent.
Why after all do we get all these movies that show how partners come to understand and work with each other? It's like the only story Hollywood knows how to tell about people who work together. You see this especially in movies based on television series. Did we really need to know how James West and Artemis Gordon came to respect each other? Hell no, they're Government agents it's their job to work together. Same with adaptations like Dragnet, I Spy, The Avengers (John and Emma).
Actually when you think about it, the Marvel Avengers is the same story just done a heck of a lot better, and on a much larger scale. Hollywood needs some new screenwriters.jsmith0552 on Jan 17, 2013. 94Nothing I do is MOOT! Nothing!:p But hey, if they've never shown an origin for Bond then that's something they needed. Comics in the early days either had a 1 to 3 page origin or they didn't have one and did it years later. Think of River Phoenix's small Indiana Jones flashback.My point is, Hollywood has been afraid of super-heroes for decades, they approach them tentatively, afraid to put them in their original costume tights (though that usually does need tweaking in real-life), feel the need to make an event or a blockbuster instead of just having the confidence to make a good movie, and generally make poor casting choices. Hey, I think they've always had the same problems when bringing Broadway hits to the big screen.Superhero animated shows are far more comfortable with their writing, and continuity, and now that we have the technology to make really great-looking fantasy/sci-fi/hero movies, they just need to take the confidence that the animators have with their product and just move that business model into the live-action world.I think John McClane survived more physical punishment in 'Live Free or Die Hard' than Batman has ever been through.InvisibleZombie on Jan 9, 2013.
108I actually enjoyed the FF with Alba, Evans and them. Could they emprove sure. What movie can't be emproved a little. I own both FF and the Rise of the Surfer and watch them all the time. I hate the fact eveything has to be re booted. Make a sequel but make it better. I can't understand why people are so harsh about the originals.
Sheesh I can name a few movies that sucked that did really well. The only problem is with making a sequel is Evans is Cpt America and is tied up with his sequel and Avengers sequel.cage1 on Sep 16, 2012. 114Michael, first off, since the 1970's, when I discovered the good Captain on T.V. BUT, I used the name Shazam as the title of the series in this instance NOT the name of the beloved character.
I've never had a problem with this as a lot of others do. Superman has Action, Batman has Detective, not all comics HAVE to have the name of the title character.That being said the NEW series STINKS anyway. Shazam is now just some dementia riddled wizard with no name. Captain Marvel is a street thug, a-hole, wearing a hoodie and a costume that looks like it belongs in a 'pride parade', and HE'S Shazam. Billy Batson, once this great, honest, yet street smart kid is a stupid punk I wouldn't let in my house.
I won't call HIM Captain Marvel because he not Captain Marvel, he's awful. He hasn't been the Captain since 'Power of Shazam' was cancelled.DC needs to sell the rights to a different company that actually respects classic characters, like Dynamite. Their Green Hornet and Shadow are great. Plus, they have Alex Ross now.James H Watschke on Aug 29, 2013. 117Obviously, Geoff Johns and all his childhood friends were developmentally disabled if they couldn't comprehend that the character's name is CAPTAIN MARVEL, NOT 'SHAZAM!'
As they read the books on their way to and from school- on the short bus.' Captain Hoodie' is excrement, pure and simple.
The inmates currently in charge of the asylum that is the NEW DC have no respect for one of the greatest, most endearing characters ever created, and they've turned one of the most elegant, appealing, and original costumes ever designed and made it an eyesore. They should be thoroughlyashamed of themselves.Michael Gonoude on Aug 29, 2013. Beck still hasn't stopped rolling, and throwing up, in his grave! This 'Shazam' looks like a 'Pride Parade' attraction. Is he wearing Sir Lancelot's truss? If I hit the jackpot I'd march into DC and just offer them a cool million for the rights to the Fawcett characters and take them to a company that would publish them with a little dignity.I think that if E.
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Nelson Bridwell could have done what he wanted to in the first place back in '73 things would be much different for the Captain. He wanted to write, and have drawn, stories like he eventually was allowed to do in the World's Finest 'SHAZAM!' Back up feature. It was quite popular and considered by most older fans the best work on any Marvel Family series DC ever did. But no, DC initially wanted to make it into what was essentially a kiddie book with little seven page stories that flopped so badly they had to start including far superior Golden Age fillers to boost sales. They have never had a handle on what made the Captain tick, Bridwell knew, but they tied his hands till it was too late. Sorry, I ramble on.James H Watschke on Aug 29, 2013.
121I'm not going to apologize for saying that the 2 Fantastic Four films were terrible. Yes of course the Silver Surfer looked great. Yes the fantasti car was cool. But it wasn't the Fantastic Four that Stan Lee and Jack Kirby created. As cool as the Surfer looked, that could not save this disaster on film.The tragedy of Ben Grimm was always a constant source of conflict and misgivings within the group itself, and was the thing (no pun intended.) that made the FF so compelling in the first place. Yet its trivialized in these films with some lame sight gags and badly played jokes. As much as some people like Michael Chiklis the actor, his portrayal of the thing lacked any meaningful substance.
That's not his fault, that's the director's fault.Dr Doom, who was the inspiration for Darth Vader, was a pompous, stuck up, snot nosed, sissy mary. Did anyone really feel any sense of danger from the movie Dr. For that matter, did the cloud Galactus make anyone nervous? I don't think so.
I am not saying to make this like the Dark Knight, I am saying stay true the original characters. There was a lot of emotion and depth in Lee and Kirby's FF whose tagline was the THE WORLD'S GREATEST COMIC MAGAZINE.
And it truly was. Just look at the first 100 issues. There is more imagination and creativity in one of those old comics from the 60's than there was in both FF films combined.Lori High Priestess on Oct 6, 2012.
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125Believe it or not the subject of Jack Kirby, is still something that Marvel has yet to own up to. They have literally made 100's of millions of dollars from his creations yet Jack Kirby wasn't anything close to a millionaire when he died, and they destroyed the man. Marvel must acknowledge his work if they are going to make a film that resembles anything like jack Kirby had something to do with it. They have to admit what they did to him if they do that.
Marvel is owned by Disney now. I do not believe that Disney is going to honor and respect anything that even remotely resembles Kirby. The only reason George Lucas sold his property to Disney is because he still has some say in the way Disney will allow Star Wars to manifest itself. Unfortunately Jack Kirby is dead and there isn't anyone beating on Disney's doors to acknowledge him.Someone needs to make a film about Jack Kirby. His story is a real American tragedy and would show how the corporatocracy doesn't give two shits about anything except making a profit.Madame Ost on Aug 20, 2013. 127I wouldn't have said it like if I wasn't sure about it.lol.
The entire business on the Empire Strikes Back between Luke and Yoda was steeped in traditional Japanese mythology.Mr Lucas was a student of Joseph Campbell. He was the foremost authority on mythology in the world. Jack Kirby was into mythology as well and he learned that from his European grandmother and Joseph Campbell. One of Kirby's favorite books was 'Hero of a Thousand Faces' by Joseph Campbel.
I should also mention that directors like the Coen Bros and Ridley Scott, were also followers of Mr Campbell. A brilliant man who inspired many creative people as well as intellectuals. All those guy have admitted publicly that they are indebted to Mr. Campbell.You fail to recognize the significance of Kirby's Doom. You need to read the first 50 issues of the Fantastic Four to know what I mean about that. He was the ultimate bad guy. However all you really have to do is look at them both.
They are almost identical except for the color of the cloak. And under the mask they are both disfigured.
But if its helpful at all, I had attended a special screening of Star Wars and the Empire Strikes back in Seattle wash. I heard and saw George Lucas tell a full house that Dr Doom played heavily into his creation of Darth Vader and then he went into a thing about jack Kirby and how it was sad he was never the household word he should have been.It was all very nice. Once you understand that you begun to see how much the guys who made the Fantastic Four films screwed up.
They had the guy who inspired Darth Vader in their hands and that was the best they could do with it??Madame Ost on Aug 16, 2013. 128And like the blonde I am I forgot to mention the most important aspect of the Dr Doom/Darth Vader. Both characters were horribly disfigured in accidents that were of their own doing.
They are both tragic characters. Both were rulers. Dr Doom was also the King of Latveria. I think its pretty obvious that Dr Doom was really a mirror character of Ben Grimm.
Think about it.Tne fantastic Four themselves represent the four basic elements, earth, water, fire and air, who all play heavily in many mythologies.Madame Ost on Aug 16, 2013. 141I just hope they finally do it right. As someone who grew up with the FF as my favorite comic, I was furious with the first 2 movies. They need to get someone who truly loved the FF to do this one. And the Thing needs to be CG like the Hulk, unless they can somehow make him look big enough without it. The Thing is only a head shorter than the Hulk, and only one step down in strength, as Marvel heroes go. In the comics, he could lift 80 tons.
If they could capture the FF of the 'Golden Age of Marvel comics' on screen, I have no doubt it could rival the Avengers.on Jan 27, 2013. 152I really think rebooting this and changing who there characters are is setting up for failure. I didn't think the first FF movie was that bad. In fact, it was way better than the version that never made it out of the studio years before except as a bootleg at comic conventions.
While there are good actors mentioned for this version, completely changing who the FF are is a little overboard. They might as well just script one with the league of evil reeds.JM on Sep 25, 2013Sorry, no commenting is allowed at this time.